In early 2010 as the stock market rally was approaching a year old, the concern became rising rates. At that time, I argued that perhaps interest rates would stay lower longer than most thought. Although the economy was starting to grow again, it wasn’t growing at such a fast clip that rates would go up. In addition, investors were so scared from two bear markets in just ten years that treasuries would have a bid underneath them for some time (investors would continue to buy bonds) keeping interest rates low. Lastly, there was evidence (and there still is) that for every $1 the Fed creates in stimulus, there is a negative multiplier effect and only $.86 is actually going into the economy.
Since the spring, not only have rates not gone up, they’ve fallen even more. Interest rates on 10-year treasuries have fallen from 4% to under 3% pushing bond prices up. Is there another bubble about to pop? Many of you think so. I think so. I just think there are a lot of people who may have the timing wrong. Bubbles can get bigger and last longer than we originally think. But, eventually, they do pop. So, just how expensive are treasury bonds?
Below is a picture of the “P/E ratio” on 10-year treasuries. Assuming the interest you receive on treasuries are your earnings, the P/E ratio on treasuries is currently 35. In comparison, the P/E ratio on the S&P 500 currently is around 15.
The picture above I created shows the “P/E ratio” on bonds from 1962 to present. In 1982, bonds were very cheap as were stocks at that time. Now, bonds are very expensive while stocks I think are not. This is one main reason why stocks can rally further. It’s not that stocks are dirt cheap. But, asset allocators and managers out there are comparing bonds versus stocks using the above metric to determine where there is value.
I’m not calling for an immediate rise in rates but you better have a plan for when they do start to rise whether it’s selling treasuries short or some other tool. It will happen eventually.





